vox day, eric raymond, and the lambda conference blacklist
- April 13th, 2016
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LambdaConf – a functional programming conference – invited an active and overt white supremacist as a speaker. A bunch of people signed a petition protesting that; LambdaConf told them more or less to fuck off. Now the neofascists are targeting all the petitioners, and Eric Raymond, noted open source developer, has jumped in endorsing a do-not-hire blacklist.

And somehow, at the same time, you have the Horror Writers Association appointing fascist David A Riley to their award jury, and people are fighting over what’s wrong with that.
Now, Nick Mamatas argues that there’s a bit of a difference, in that awards are specifically bringing an entire aesthetic to a function, and Moldbug – the LambdaConf white supremacist speaker – was only going to be talking about code. True, but for me, it’s not really different, just different in degree, because developers are making decisions that affect the aesthetics of real life, all the time.
Take that flap recently where a GeoIP company sent every person looking up an IP address’s geographic location to a specific address in the middle of the US if they didn’t have an actual, correct hit for that IP address. They literally chose an old woman’s farm as their default, because it was the nearest address to geographical US centre.
As a result, she’s been facing years of abuse from strangers, because the company never thought somebody would look up some woman’s address online and go harass her.
They outright said that. Tell me that’s not bringing an aesthetic to software.
And just as much as that sort of programming aesthetic, there’s simple flat out personal safety. White supremacists – like misogynists – don’t believe that everybody in the room is an actual person, right? Unless the croud is whites only, or male only, or both, of course. Preferably both.
Take Dave Sim as an example of an overt misogynist. I won’t be in the same room with that man. Preferably not the same building; certainly not at the same event. That’s because he quite literally believes that women are not people, and that women exist only to drain off of real people, meaning men.
If I have to be in the same room with him, I want a gun, because I don’t trust him not to attack me or some other woman. I think it’s very unlikely, of course. But I’ve read his writing about women, and I would not rule it out. And if we woke up tomorrow and found he’d cut up some woman and put her parts in a dumpster, I would have exactly zero surprise.
And given that this shit happens, and happens routinely, I don’t think that’s irrational. I think it’s called real life impact.
So in the case of an overt white supremacist like Moldbug, you’d have to be profoundly stupid – on an emotional/empathetic level at very, very least – to think people of colour aren’t going to have the same reaction. Because that also happens, in real life.
And I don’t think most of these people are stupid. I just think they’re fine with that.
Which is much worse.
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@solarbirdy Really sad to see a guy respected in the community throw it all away to support some shitposting racist trolls.
@WoS @solarbirdy He went off the rails a few years into 21st century, IMAO.
@rmd1023 This Lonely Aging White Man discovered he was less culturally relevant. You’ll absolutely believe what happened next. @solarbirdy
@WoS @rmd1023 It’s grotesque. I this up on the band blog, because… yeah. More eyes.
Wow. What a clusterfuck of horrible people.
@solarbirdy @WoS Also, apparently the list is built on or partly derived from something called “Jew watch”.
@rmd1023 @WoS And they say software development has no aesthetic.
@solarbirdy Yeah, ESR was supporting the Puppies in last year’s Hugo fracas. His blog post on it was an astonishing pile of bullshit.
@solarbirdy ESR likes to support right-wing politics because it shocks liberal nerds, flatters himself that he’s smarter.
@solarbirdy Here he was eight years ago, talking about racial IQ differences: https://t.co/4ktshKOaAw
@avram GOT NEWS CHET, YOU’RE JUST SENILE. Or something. jfc what awful, awful people.
Wow. There goes the respect I had for ESR.
Apparently, he became a shithead a while ago, and I just never noticed. Here he was a while ago, talking about innate IQ differences between races. SPOILER ALERT: Guess who’s dumber?
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=473
Libertarians? 🙂
🙁
I’ve known that ESR is a shithead for more than 20 years. Dig around in the archives of soc.motss (the gay Usenet newsgroup) for copious examples of ESR acting like a dick.
I never hung out on soc.motss, but I am _unsurprised_ at this point. This stuff always leaves clues more obvious post-hoc.
I discovered this after I helped out enough with the Jargon File to get a credit: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/revision-history.html
What my wife (Melinda Shore) told me about ESR follows closely George’s statements. (No surprise — they hung around in the same circles. I only showed up on soc.motss less than 20 years ago and missed it by a little.) Cultural appropriation of the jargon file, baiting gay people, and then later going off into full-blown racism, mostly post-2001.
Yikes!
In_deed_.
ESR?! Who the frack dropped acid in his cheerios? ‘course, the whole bloody LP seems to have ended up in Arkham somewhere after 2005…. *smh*
Maybe I should go find that list, crossreference it with my LinkedIn network, and see if I can do some good to counterbalance this evil…
Motherfrackers.
I’ve had several people telling me he’s gone off the boat in the last 10, 15 years. Here he is writing about how blacks have intrinsically lower IQs than whites: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=473
So that’s fun.
Actually, I’d like a copy of the list… it sounds like a “good person to hire” list to me!
The one thing wrong there is that Vox Day didn’t “jump in” on the side of Neofascists, He’s been a dedicated Neofascist and white supremacist for some time. I’ve had a few run-ins with Vox and his pack of rabid vermin before. So glad none of them ever traced the alt back to me.
Jumped in with _this particular group_ was my intent with that sentence. There are many groups, even if all of them would like to be in charge of all the others. (Which is why they aren’t, thankfully…)
The thing that annoys me … well,at this moment in particular, since there is so *much* to be annoyed about … is that it is somehow fighting *against* this sort of thing that is “politicizing” a matter. White guy says something outrageous? No big deal. Someone objects, and bandies about the idea of taking action — *now* it’s political and not being true to the Original Subject or somesuch. This has been the case with the Puppies, with the HWA, and with LamdaConf; the status quo (or even going beyond it into outright reaction) is not political — only objecting is, and then “political” becomes a bad word.
Pfui, say I, though I think I may have a new privilege detector: when you honestly feel that you can be/that you hold a “nonpolitical” position on an issue where there are politics *anywhere*.
Particularly when you’re dealing with somebody like Moldbug, who has explicitly endorsed not just slavery in general, but race slavery in particular. jfc, how far do you have to go to the authoritarian right in order for it to be “not political” anymore? Is there a limit, because I don’t see one.
(And the answer is, of course there’s not, it’s ‘what we agree with and what holds us as straight white guys in an elevated position’ vs. ‘the people we’re abusing complaining about being abused’ that is the magic dividing line between ‘apolitical’ and ‘political.’)