{"id":8026,"date":"2015-09-05T09:16:25","date_gmt":"2015-09-05T16:16:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/?p=8026"},"modified":"2015-09-05T09:16:25","modified_gmt":"2015-09-05T16:16:25","slug":"i-guess-i-lied","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/09\/05\/i-guess-i-lied\/","title":{"rendered":"i guess i lied"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I thought I was done with Worldcon and Hugo Award posts for the year, and said so, somewhere, possibly in comments; I guess I lied.<\/p>\n<p>People are talking about a Best Series Hugo proposal. I think there&#8217;s an idea here, but it should be given every five years or so &#8211; that there aren&#8217;t enough series that reach the kind of level needed for this award to be meaningful on an annual basis.<\/p>\n<p>I got jumped on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/kevin-standlee.livejournal.com\/1495246.html?thread=5711822#t5711822\">over on LJ<\/a> by someone who was &#8220;flabbergasted&#8221; that I don&#8217;t think enough series are published each year to make this award work, saying series make up half the field at this point, and generally asking what am I on? I&#8217;m elevating my reply to this post.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I think you misunderstand my meaning. I am saying that if you actually want to judge and award a series, you need time for that series to develop, and for fandom to become familiar with those series.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m <em>not<\/eM> saying &#8220;a tiny number of series have books in those series published each year,&#8221; or &#8220;there are a tiny number of series.&#8221; I mean, let&#8217;s look at the pool from that standpoint for a second: it has to be a series that has a book out that year, I would presume, which tends to reward those series which have been going on and on and on <em>and<\/em> with tremendous regularity. Or, hey, maybe you wouldn&#8217;t have to have a book out that year, if the series is ongoing. Or maybe you do, but the latest instalment wouldn&#8217;t have to have to be particularly good &#8211; after all, you&#8217;re not judging the <em>instalment<\/em>, you&#8217;re judging the <em>set<\/em>. That widens the field.<\/p>\n<p>Does a trilogy count as a series? I&#8217;ve been assuming not. Maybe that&#8217;s errant &#8211; it&#8217;s the kind of thing that hasn&#8217;t been defined yet. How about two books with intent for more. Is that a series? That makes the pool even larger.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s assume <em>all<\/em> of those count. That is a very large number, as you say. Huge. Massive. How foolish of me not to realise that obvious fact!<\/p>\n<p>However.<\/p>\n<p>As I told the sponsors, I&#8217;m willing to consider this proposal. But given the <em>large investment<\/em> involved in reading any <em>individual<\/eM> series, I doubt that many people survey the vast <em>range<\/em> of eligible series when making their nominations, and I doubt even further that in the shortlist &#8211; the set of five series nominated in any given year &#8211; that many people will be adequately familiar with <em>all five<\/em> to make a cross-ballot judgement.<\/p>\n<p>And what that gets us to is an important question: <em>how many series are followed by enough people that you get that kind of overlap?<\/eM> Where it&#8217;s not just a series with its fans, but the sort of series that is <em>so<\/em> endemic across fandom WSFS fandom that a reasonable percentage of that fandom have read enough of the books to talk about any given series <em>in comparison with others on the shortlist?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I strongly suspect <em>that<\/em> number is a <em>lot<\/em> smaller. I mean, through fannish history, what&#8217;s hit <em>that<\/em> kind of mass? Let&#8217;s keep in trilogies to bring it up a bit.<\/p>\n<p>Lord of the Rings, of course. Foundation. White Mountains? I doubt it, but maybe. Pern. Darkover, maybe. Vorkosigan, as you note. Potter, certainly. Hunger Games, possibly. Ice and Fire. Newsflesh, I wouldn&#8217;t rule out, but that&#8217;s maybe just me. Dresden, maybe. I&#8217;ve never cared enough to pick one up and the entire series is in the library thanks to my partner&#8217;s interest, but maybe.<\/p>\n<p>I do not contest that there are dozens, nay <em>hundreds<\/eM>, of series every year with a new entry. I question how many are so endemic, so pervasive, that they can be part of a ballot which can be considered intelligently by any reasonable percentage of WSFS fandom, given that playing catchup between shortlist announcement and final voting deadline simply is <em>not feasible.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>That is a <em>much<\/em> smaller number. It&#8217;s certainly <em>not<\/em> &#8220;half the field.&#8221; More like, with books coming out within the year to trigger eligibility&#8230; two. Three, maybe.<\/p>\n<p>And if that sort of cross-series comparison by fandom not the intent &#8211; and given that it&#8217;s effectively impossible, that <em>can&#8217;t<\/em> be the intent &#8211; the result is..<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; a straight-up series popularity contest. Which series has the most fans any given year? Yay, a Hugo.<\/p>\n<p>And those most popular series will make a lot of return visits to the ballot, it seems to me, for all the reasons I just outlined above.<\/p>\n<p><em>That<\/eM> is what I&#8217;m talking about when I say there aren&#8217;t enough series to make this work on an annual basis. Not there aren&#8217;t enough published &#8211; that&#8217;s trivial and obvious. That there aren&#8217;t enough <em>endemic across fandom<\/em> that they can be compared seriously.<\/p>\n<p>And <em>that<\/em> is the question Best Series proponents have to answer if they want this to be an annual award. If they can get me an answer that I buy &#8211; great! If not &#8211; it shouldn&#8217;t be annual. It should be, oh, maybe twice a decade, to give fandom <eM>time<\/em> to be able to consider coherently. <em>That<\/em>, I can see. That could work.<\/p>\n<p>But every year? I don&#8217;t see how.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I thought I was done with Worldcon and Hugo Award posts for the year, and said so, somewhere, possibly in comments; I guess I lied. People are talking about a Best Series Hugo proposal. 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