{"id":7025,"date":"2015-04-16T08:30:06","date_gmt":"2015-04-16T15:30:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/?p=7025"},"modified":"2016-03-08T09:30:10","modified_gmt":"2016-03-08T17:30:10","slug":"nominees-bowing-out-a-variety-of-puppies-and-responses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/16\/nominees-bowing-out-a-variety-of-puppies-and-responses\/","title":{"rendered":"nominees bowing out; a variety of puppies and responses"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On top of everything below, I&#8217;m mad that this Puppies slate-voting\/nominations-gaming stunt happened this year in particular.<\/p>\n<p>I know that&#8217;s selfish, but we don&#8217;t get a lot of Cascadian Worldcons; I know, I&#8217;ve been involved (at low levels) with a few failed bids. But more, a friend of mine won the competition to do the Hugo Award base. I was really happy for him, and now he gets to deal with this.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, the whole mess is overtly political bullshit, done for overtly political reasons, mostly &#8211; when it comes right down to it &#8211; for <a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/on-buying-some-hugo-awards-and-voting-no-award\/\">spite<\/a>, to Show Those People What. And while plenty of people have been hurt by this &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/grrm.livejournal.com\/421363.html?thread=21175795#t21175795\">to the distinct pleasure of some on the Puppy side<\/a>, since after all, <em>that&#8217;s kind of the point<\/em> &#8211; it&#8217;s a little more personal when it&#8217;s people you know.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway. I&#8217;ve assembled a bunch of links off to other people talking about the Puppies, including &#8211; talking of people being hurt by it &#8211; Annie Bellet removing her story from the ballot, and Marko Kloos removing his novel. I had most of these already yesterday, but I wanted to keep one day clear of it.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com\/2015\/04\/09\/gulag-diary-day-6\/\">Brad Torgersen&#8217;s self-pity-party knows no bounds<\/a>, apparently. OH NOES, IT&#8217;S THE SCIENCE-FICTION GULAG! Nobody expects the Fannish Inquisition? It&#8217;s kind of sad, really, <a href=\"http:\/\/james-nicoll.livejournal.com\/5308365.html\">as James Nicoll points out<\/a>.\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/grrm.livejournal.com\">George R. R. Martin has commented extensively, and the comments section is large, with lots of the Puppy leaders showing up\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/azsf.net\/cwblog\/?p=116\">Why Connie Willis Will Not Present a Hugo Award This Year<\/a>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/whatever.scalzi.com\/2015\/04\/15\/the-latest-hugo-conspiracy-nonsense-involving-me\/\">John Scalzi comments on the conspiracy theory surrounding the removal of a John C. Wright novel from the 2015 Hugo ballot on grounds of previous publication<\/a> (spoiler: It&#8217;s All Scalzi&#8217;s Fault, apparently)\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/david.gerrold\/posts\/10205360779551319?pnref=story\">David Gerrold: <i>Star Trek<\/i> wasn&#8217;t about social justice? Really? It was <em>entirely<\/em> about social justice, I know, I was there<\/a>, in response to Puppies trying to claim <i>Star Trek<\/i> as theirs\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/wehuntedthemammoth.com\/2015\/04\/13\/vox-day-says-his-totally-not-racist-comments-have-been-taken-out-of-context-in-context-theyre-even-worse\/\">Vox Day still doesn&#8217;t understand not to cry &#8216;context!&#8217; when the context makes the quoted material worse<\/a> (spoiler: yep, he&#8217;s super racist)\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/naomikritzer.wordpress.com\/2015\/04\/13\/vox-days-involvement-in-the-sad-puppies-slate\/\">Naomi Kritzer quoting extensively from the Puppies &#8220;Evil League of Evil&#8221; posts by John C. Wright, Sarah Hoyt, Larry Correia, and Brad Torgersen<\/a> in response to various later attempts by Puppies to distance themselves from Vox Day (spoiler: they&#8217;re all fully involved, and the distancing attempts are bullshit)\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/132469740229000\/photos\/a.256867324455907.1073741827.132469740229000\/550446045098032\/?type=1&#038;fref=nf\">The Nerdvana Podcast talks about the Puppies gaming the Hugo awards<\/a>, with Kevin Standlee, Christopher J Garcia and Mo &#8220;The Thrill&#8221; Starkey.\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20150419125352\/https:\/\/overactive.wordpress.com\/2015\/04\/15\/hugo-story-withdrawn\/\">Hugo Story Withdrawn<\/a>: Annie Bellet wants no part of this\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.munchkinwrangler.com\/2015\/04\/15\/a-statement-on-my-hugo-nomination\/\">Neither does Marko Kloos, who withdraws <i>Lines of Departure<\/i> from nomination<\/a>, based on being included in the Rabid Puppy slate without his consent. NOTE: His site is currently overwhelmed; if it&#8217;s still so when you read this, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/solarbird.net\/Livejournal\/2015-04\/kloos-declines-hugo-nom.png\">here&#8217;s a screencap<\/a>.\n<li>Sasquan &#8211; the Worldcon this year &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/file770.com\/?p=21877\">has reported a huge surge in supporting memberships<\/a>, which, of course, have voting rights; <a href=\"http:\/\/grrm.livejournal.com\/421363.html\">GRRM anticiptes nothing good coming from this<\/a>, which seems a good bet.\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.today\/UCk4j\">ComicMix called for people to &#8220;game&#8221; the Amazon review system to downgrade Vox Day&#8217;s publishing house&#8217;s works<\/a>, which as contemptible as Vox is, I have to oppose; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.donotlink.com\/epa2\">Vox, of course, threatens legal action<\/a>. Look, don&#8217;t make me on the same side of <em>anything<\/em> as Vox, it makes me feel nasty, and you don&#8217;t want supervillains feeling nasty.\n<li>Fantasy novelist Angela Highland (whose <i>Free Court of Seattle<\/i> books are the series our <a href=\"http:\/\/music.crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/album\/bone-walker\">new soundtrack album<\/a> accompanies) posts <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.angelahighland.com\/2015\/04\/16\/the-latest-in-the-puppy-wars\/\">her own feelings on the matter<\/a>, and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.angelahighland.com\/2015\/04\/14\/thoughts-on-extremism\/\">also has thoughts on extremism in general<\/a>.\n<li>Nobody in Finland <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.antipope.org\/charlie\/blog-static\/2015\/04\/the-biggest-little-sf-publishe.html?hc_location=ufi#comment-1967538\">knows who the hell Vox Day&#8217;s press is<\/a>, which certainly makes them the envy of <em>me<\/em>.<\/ul>\n<p>Here are all of my posts on the topic so far; they&#8217;ve also all been added to the <a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2014\/02\/collection-the-sfwa-sexism-and-racism-posts\/\">Sexism and Racism in Geek Culture masterpost<\/a>, which is on the left in &#8220;Collections.&#8221; Or, you know, right <a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2014\/02\/collection-the-sfwa-sexism-and-racism-posts\/\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/on-buying-some-hugo-awards-and-voting-no-award\/\">On Buying some Hugo Awards<small><sup>tm<\/sup><\/small>, and voting No Award<\/a>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/wed-better-all-be-ready-to-go-to-the-business-meeting\/\">We&#8217;d Better All Be Ready To Go To The Business Meeting<\/a>, on gaming the rules change process itself\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/on-brad-torgersen-and-crocodile-tears\/\">On Brad Torgersen and Crocodile Tears<\/a>, and the Correia\/Torgersen attempts to distance themselves from the white supremacist they invited into their campaign\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/a-predictable-doubling-down\/\">A Predicable? Doubling Down<\/a>, wherein I respond to Brad Torgersen&#8217;s assertion that anyone opposing the Puppy slate are Leninist Communists\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/since-some-puppies-are-deleting-things\/\">Some Puppies Are Deleting Things<\/a>, wherein I repost and\/or link to caches of material various Puppies &#8211; mostly John C. Wright &#8211; have tried to hide via deletion or just pretend never happened. Too bad that&#8217;s not how the internet works, guys. Also wherein I get accused of libel by John C. Wright for quoting John C. Wright. That&#8217;s not how libel works, either. Possibly to be followed by John C. Wright coming over here and yelling at me for this, too, because wow, John C. Wright vanity searches a lot, and this will totally come up in John C. Wright&#8217;s John C. Wright search results. Hi John!<\/ul>\n<p><b>eta:<\/b> I am adding to this list as I find more things today, some of which are kind of hilarious, some of which are kind of pathetic, some of which are both. Enjoy?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On top of everything below, I&#8217;m mad that this Puppies slate-voting\/nominations-gaming stunt happened this year in particular. I know that&#8217;s selfish, but we don&#8217;t get a lot of Cascadian Worldcons; I know, I&#8217;ve been involved (at low levels) with a few failed bids. 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