{"id":6219,"date":"2014-08-10T08:30:14","date_gmt":"2014-08-10T15:30:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/?p=6219"},"modified":"2014-08-10T08:30:14","modified_gmt":"2014-08-10T15:30:14","slug":"yahoo-can-bite-my-shiny-metal-ass","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crimeandtheforcesofevil.com\/blog\/2014\/08\/10\/yahoo-can-bite-my-shiny-metal-ass\/","title":{"rendered":"Yahoo! can bite my Shiny! Metal! Ass!"},"content":{"rendered":"

Yahoo! broke all the mailing lists in the world<\/a>. The traditional kind, anyway. Not so much announcement-only lists, but the discussion kind.<\/p>\n

Basically, as a result of their changes, Yahoo! people can’t send mail to mailing lists and have it delivered to other Yahoo! addresses. Or Google addresses (tho’ I read conflicting things about that and haven’t tested), or AOL addresses (definitely), and probably a couple of others. Technical details are at Computer World<\/a>.<\/p>\n

And they’re sticking to their goddamn guns. It’s been like this since April.<\/p>\n

There’s a patch to mailman, the software which powers our mailing lists, to work around this. It also sticks the sender’s From: address into the Reply-To: field, adding it to whatever else might be there, and you can’t turn that off<\/em>. So all replies to any message on discussion lists get doubled to the original sender. That’s idiotic.<\/p>\n

I’ve written local mods to our mailman installation – thank you, open source – to stop this. And to change the From: line so that it contains a recoverable version of the sender’s email address. So if you had mail from, say:<\/p>\n

From: Derpy Herfy <badideas@yahoo.com><\/code><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It now gets changed to:<\/p>\n

From: Derpy Herfy [badideas at yahoo.com] via My Mailing List <mylist@mylisthost.com><\/code><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

…and it doesn’t get added to the Reply-To: field, so that doesn’t get broken.<\/p>\n

I fought like a rabid dog to stop<\/em> Microsoft SMTP engines from treating email addresses like this. It was a multi-year fight. I won, in part, because it was someone had a wrong idea about what was good behaviour.<\/p>\n

Now I’m doing what I fought against then, because it’s the only way to get the mail through.<\/p>\n

I hate you so much right now, Yahoo! – you are BREAKING THE GODDAMN INTERNET<\/em>, and you’re doing it in ways I kept Microsoft from doing<\/em>.<\/p>\n

There are not enough punchings in the world.<\/p>\n

eta:<\/b> the code changes are trivial. Take ’em if you want ’em<\/a>. Note the source version information at top!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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